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<<Gosh, you are so very compassionate and loving.
(sigh)
And non-judgmental
Almost forgot to mention that
You resorted to threats. Rev TomCat resorted to compassion and sympathy.
I suggest you think about it
Is the truth offensive to you? Then you have no choice except to embrace lies >>
Yes I am compassionate, and that compassion is intended for all who visit this web site and not geared for SidArthur only. As to judgement, ... You may be familar with other new age spiritual groups and sites that seem to make this some ideal or goal, but I have long since moved away from those cliches and trite arguments. I make judgements all the time and I am damned proud of it. It is called discernment. As to CS rules and guidelines... they are warnings. You either follow the rules or I will be forced to implement those warnings. If you want to interpete those warnings as threats, so be it. Your label... Your manifestation.
Right now, I am being kind to you, because your posts so far have been borderline disruptive to the spiritual nature of this site. It is one thing to say, that idea is idiotic, but when the individual starts generalizing by calling all people or a specific person an idiot or moron, that crosses the line into being inflamatory and into plain old rudeness. A word of advice: Your mind-set needs some refinement, Sid.
In Peace and Harmony --- Cosmeta
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Sidarthur wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ46iydsABo&feature=channel_page
Hey, I don’t pretend to be an expert that’s why I stated “SUPPOSEDLY” this YouTube video is not a fake.
So, you are saying that they made this video AFTER the WTC was bombed as a joke? You’re saying that is not the actual WTC in the background? If it was made before the WTC bombing the lady ‘just so happened’ to see the UFO in the exact areas where those buildings would eventually be bombed? Hey, that would make for either a lot of coincidences or…a very horrible joke.
If you look at other YouTube links you will find experts in Japan and Mexico have also evaluated the video. You seem to consider yourself more of an expert than they are.
Admit it. YOU are no special effects master and neither am I. We BOTH don’t know how to make a fake video which is that convincing. When you boldly say it is a fake YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Just a lot of officially unqualified hot air.
As for the rest, you think I am lying about seeing a good 75% of what has been told to me over and over by the Spirit of Nature revealed in that movie? You obviously think I am lying, right?
You realize that is the ONLY reason I have recently shared this information in a number of forums. It was too much of a coincidence to ignore. Those who have known me for years will most certainly agree...if they have the guts.
I would like you to address this issue, Cos. Set me straight. You seem to think you have the answers here so let's all see you convince me
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Sid...
<<I would like you to address this issue, Cos. Set me straight. You seem to think you have the answers here so let's all see you convince me >>
Issues:
The issue here as far as I can discern, is not the UFO video persay' although you are trying to make it the issue; rather the issue centers around your sense of ego and having to prove yourself right and at all costs. Your issue is my reprimand to you regarding your language and choice of words. My issue, is the same as the latter; and dare I say, I am entitlted to that because this is my forum and I get to set the rules, and not you. As to you believing that I have all the answers, again, that is your issue and not mine because never have I ever said that I have all the answers for anyone let alone to you. Just seems to me Sid, that you are the one to make issue of things due to your proclivity to knee jerk reactional responses. You seem to have an us against them attitude and in the current case a me against you mindset.
<<Hey, I don’t pretend to be an expert that’s why I stated “SUPPOSEDLY” this YouTube video is not a fake.>>
If... if *you* said, "supposedly" and then cited another source by stating that it is not a fake, either means that you are supportative of those claims or you are not. If you are, then I stand firmly behind my words that I am not; and if you are not supportative of that video and its claims, then argumenting me about my point of view is a mute point; except to say that you were unsure of yourself and therefore used the term, 'supposedly'; I do suppose now, because you needed our input to help you make up your mind.
Whereas upon viewing that particular video I clearly stated that I did not think it was real as portrayed and that the video had been doctored. So now we come to a juncture whereby you are refutting my observation; which means to me that you are on the side of those who deem that video real. So that, here we have a situation where you are not argumenting my refusal to accept the video persay or the creators of that video but you. Which means that you feel slighted that I have disagreed with you. And that means that you have misconstrued my comments, taken them out of context and deemed them a personal attack against you. Now, granted my second paragraph to you, was directed to your personal writing stye; but not the one that you are demanding a second follow up response to. Normally, I would not waste my time, because I have already given you my answer regarding that video, but for whatever reason, you seem to delight in pushing for a further explanation. So here it is. May I suggest that you backtrack to January 4th and read my original response. It reads,
"That video is definately a fake. Look at it closely and you will see that the young lady and man are sitting inside of a fixed space that seems to tilt while the scene outside remains static. Then the graphic artist inserted a blimp speeding out of some cloud. A little discernment goes a long way."
So I ask you.... where.... where in that statement did I ever say, a) that I have all the answers; b) that I know more than the Japanese scientist who viewed that video; or c) that I was telling you that you should not believe in the authenticity of that video and its claim. No---All I did say was that to me, that video was definately a fake, and then I proceeded to give you my reasons. After all, Sid, you asked us to see the video and then make comments on it... Yet when I do, you immediately take those comments, twist them around and deem them a rebuttual on your point of view. When in fact, all I was doing was to give you mine. Furthermore, all I did was to ask you to take a second look at the video. Nothing more, and nothing less. If you can't live with that, then so be it.I will not belabor the point.
<<So, you are saying that they made this video AFTER the WTC was bombed as a joke? >>
Since there is no date on the video camrecorder I can not give you the date of when that video was created. So if we look at the upper rightside we do see pertainent information. We can ascertain the date of when the video was uploaded to YouTube; and from that we can assume that the video was also created in or around January 30, 2007. But it is clear that the the WTC was in tact and standing up until September 11th 2001; so that, for the towers to still be visible means that, THAT particular background shot was done prior to that date. Still, the upload date was some 6 years later. Now, you answer the question: Why is this? Or do you really believe that a UFO slammed into the World Trade Center.
On a personal note: I am a former New Yorker and resent that some are demeaning what took place on September 11, 2001. Now, I did not personally see the initial attack when the first plane hit the first tower; but I did see reruns of it, seconds later when I was awakened by a telephone call from one of my sons to turn on the tv. When I did, I saw the second tower being hit by a second plane. That second hit would coincide with that video displacement of the blip and doctored image of a saucer.
Now look at the timeline on the video and mark done the counter:
0:05/0:20 - Woman says, "You getting all this" and the man responds, "Absolutely"
0:12/0:20 - Woman says, What is that? And at that precise moment, the image switches to another frame, and another portion of the towers. From the camera angle I'd say it is nowhere near the 90th floor but way below it somewhere nearer to the 40th or 50th floor.
0:13/0:20 - Woman says, "It's over there". At this point again we have another inserted frame and we are looking to the right of the towers and off to the distance; perhaps a half mile or so. Our eye is nowhere near the towers.
0:16/0:20 - The foggy blurred out image moves away from the towers and not to them.
0:20/0:20 - The image switches to another frame and we hear a boom in the background, whereup the woman says, "Oh..." The video ends with a smoke trail that seems to make a radical u-turn. No way! No how! Planes do not function that way, and neither do UFO's. There are no trails to UFO's. Well, at least the time I saw one, there was not. So you see---I am not the skeptic that you think me to be. I am however a rational person who knows how to discern fact from fiction.
So now I ask you... if that was the second hit.... 1) what are they still doing up in the air as if to take a joy ride, she with her small digital camera very non chalantly saying to her male companion... "You getting all this," as if it is just another day on a tour. Or would you rather believe that they were part of the conspiracy to bomb the World Trade Center? They were flying around in anticipation of the fall, and just happen to be there on 911 ready with their cameras.... This would be an incredible admission and more like an ommission because it took them 6 years to upload to YouTube. If this is what you want me to believe you are sadly mistaken. Besides... where is all the smoke from the first tower that was hit and burning pumes of bellowing smoke? Where the sound of the sirens or the panic in their voices. Where? Therefore I say it is a fake and does not accurately depict what happened on 911. It is a doctored video.
<<You’re saying that is not the actual WTC in the background? >>
I am saying that it is, and that is my point to you as show by the above paragraphs. That's why I said in my original post that the background image of the NY skyline was static,... as in, it was an earlier fixed photograph or series of photographs made prior to 911. But as to when the YouTube video was pieced together for upload we cannot say. There are just too many places in that short clip where frames were sliced together. Just watch it again and try not to blink your eyes, and perhaps you will be able to see my point of view.
<<If it was made before the WTC bombing the lady ‘just so happened’ to see the UFO in the exact areas where those buildings would eventually be bombed? >>
That's the section that I think was dubbed. Look closely at the video... and don't blink your eyes... it was originally a Goodyear blimp, that was later graphically made to look like a rounded saucer shape.
<<Hey, that would make for either a lot of coincidences or…a very horrible joke.>>
I cannot comment on the motivational intent of the creator as to whether they wanted to make a joke or not. Perhaps they just want YouTube visibility. In either case, their motives are not consequential to me. All I did was to give you my own personal evaluation of my opinions on viewing the video itself...
I have an dentist appointment... so cant answer the rest of your post now, and dont know if I will. I think the above has been enough for my purposes.
In Peace and Harmony --- Cosmeta
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IN LOVING MEMORY
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This photo was taken before 911
(The image in the upper left, is that of a helicopter)
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Photos of 911
This is a picture of the second plane to hit;
and captured here just seconds prior. It is neither a blimp,
nor is it a UFO. It is clearly a jetliner.
Again, this photo shows massive amounts of thick blackish
smoke filling our skies.
If you argue that the YouTube video was taken through that billowing smoke, and that justifies the reason for the cloudiness of that UFO hoax YouTube video; then in essence you would be saying that the YouTube video was shot seconds or minutes after we were attacked; in which case the two people in that video must have been idiots to be site seeing. Were anyone to argue that they were really there and at the precise day and time of the hit, one would have to wonder why the people in that YouTube were more interested in capturing a UFO, and not taking some pictures of one of the most historical events in our history.
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Photos of 911
A photo of 911 as seen from a distance.
Again, it is a clear sunny day, blue sky and all.
A photo taken after both towers were hit.
The amount of damage here is clearly discernable; and that doesn't even cover the damage felt on the ground by those who fled the buildings, by our first responders like police and fire; as well as by all the bystanders; not to mention the millions of us who observed FIRSTHAND via our television screens.
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Sidarthur
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No doubt you also feel that New York did not deserve what happened to it. Hey, I'm a former New Yorker as well. I was BORN and RAISED there and I HATE THAT FILTHY CITY! It's like a poisonous cesspool.
The lady in the video is OBVIOUSLY American and seems like a rather nice lady. Why would she agree to make such a video? As a joke? There is no indication I have seen that anyone got paid to make that video. It would have taken a lot of money to fake it. Still, it doesn't matter.
Let's face reality here. The only answer I can possibly give that will appease your self-righteous bloated ego is: You're right!
So, let's not waste time, okay?
You're right!
Now, let's forget I mentioned anything
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A COMPARISON
This is a graphic I just created by sizing down one of the real photos I displayed in an early post; and alongside of it, a captured image of my own monitor of the YouTube video that Sid directed us to. By placing these two images side by side we can clearly see that on 911 the sky was clear blue, and on the day the fake video was made it was made on a cloudy overcast day. Hence, the image to your right is a definate forgery and should not be believed. It was not made on the morning of September 11th 2001, but sometime prior and then dubbed in somewhere near or around January 30th 2007.
I have taken the time to document this comparison because of the many conspiracy theories out there on the Internet and also because some CS viewers may not have access to a multimedia player that supports a YouTube video. If any reader be among those who believe in a conspiracy theory, or that 911 did not happen, all I can tell you is that 911 really did happen and the attacks were made by large jet planes. And that on that day, nearly 3,000 people from all walks of life... those who worked in those towers along with many rescuers, lost their lives.
To be clear... this is not a joke and controversies demeaning what took place on 911 should not be seen as idle chatter or gossip. What took place on 911 was the worst American invasion into our space since Pearl Harbor and I resent those who would go around the Internet espousing false rumors that we were not attacked.
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Sid...
<<No doubt you also feel that New York did not deserve what happened to it. >>
Innocent people never deserve to be killed.
<<Hey, I'm a former New Yorker as well. >>
Cool.... where abouts?
<<I was BORN and RAISED there and I HATE THAT FILTHY CITY! It's like a poisonous cesspool.>>
You are entitled to your opinion.
<<The lady in the video is OBVIOUSLY American and seems like a rather nice lady. >>
We have no such proof of that from watching or listening to the video.
<<Why would she agree to make such a video? >>
I have no idea... email her and find out.
<<As a joke? >>
Who knows...
Besides... you are assuming that she made that video... But if you observe... she is seated to the left and is holding a small digital camera. That does not mean that we should assume that she was the one who created the YouTube video or uploaded it. The two may not be the same.
<<There is no indication I have seen that anyone got paid to make that video.>>
What does money have to do with it?
<< It would have taken a lot of money to fake it. >>
YouTube is free.
<<Still, it doesn't matter. >>
Then why did you ask me for a rebuttal.
<<Let's face reality here. The only answer I can possibly give that will appease your self-righteous bloated ego is: You're right!>>
Thank you!
<<So, let's not waste time, okay?>>
My time... so I can spend it as I see fit. Besides I'm not doing this for you but for others.
<<You're right!>>
I am!
<<Now, let's forget I mentioned anything >>
I don't have a short memory, Sid.
And I'm not a crystal twinkie either...
But I can give you a run for your money, and without using the usual slang to do it.
Words count!
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SID: There is no indication I have seen that anyone got paid to make that video.
COS: What does money have to do with it?
MY RESPONSE: If that was a hoax, you must agree, that it was in very bad taste. People should not be joking about that tragic event.
You just ruled out money as motive. What other motive would cause a woman actor to pull such a disrespectful hoax with an OBVIOUSY completely clear conscience?
If familes of the victims have seen this video on YouTube and they felt it was fake there would be an uproar. Do you see lots of comments to the video in which families of the victims of 9 11 are outraged by such a hoax? I haven't
Check the different YouTube links on the video. Do lots of the families of the victims of 9 11 feel the video is fake? If they did they would indeed be openly outraged by such a joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ46iydsABo&feature=channel_page
JAPAN SLOW MOTION OF VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE3vR7XG9Pc&NR=1
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Jaime Maussen is a well-respected man in the Mexico media. He did extensive reports of the UFO flap in Mexico during the 1990s. Here are a collection of many of his YouTube links so that you can see for yourself that he is indeed well respected:
YouTube Video
Next you should see that very same WTC ufo video featured on Jaime’s Mexican television program. It is the only place I have found this video that shows when it was created. If you pause the video as it starts you will see it labeled:
Barbara S. N.Y. 24 July 2000
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Now, I say this is the biggest piece of evidence that the video is genuine. Jaime is not stupid enough to endanger his career by putting videos on his show that are easily proven to be faked. He has a reputation to protect.
Still, do I believe it is real? Yes and no equally. I am not stupid enough to take any other stand in this matter. What is ridiculous are those who, compared to Jaime, have no qualifications whatsoever and yet are certain the video is fake. They are not even experts at cleaning around their toilets and yet present themselves as experts at judging UFO footage.
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I believe I understand something now. YOU absolutely (((MUST))) believe that video is a hoax. The implications if it is not are just too frightening for you to bear.
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Sid...
<<MY RESPONSE: If that was a hoax, you must agree, that it was in very bad taste. People should not be joking about that tragic event.
You just ruled out money as motive. What other motive would cause a woman actor to pull such a disrespectful hoax with an OBVIOUSY completely clear conscience?
If familes of the victims have seen this video on YouTube and they felt it was fake there would be an uproar. Do you see lots of comments to the video in which families of the victims of 9 11 are outraged by such a hoax? I haven't
Check the different YouTube links on the video. Do lots of the families of the victims of 9 11 feel the video is fake? If they did they would indeed be openly outraged by such a joke.>>
When I asked you, what does money have to do with it, what I meant was... whether one gets paid a little or a lot, or not at all, does not make that particuar video any less real. A fake is a fake. My view does not mean that I ruled out money as a motive for making that YouTube---yet you have, I guess. As I said in my earlier post to you, we should not assume... /// let me change that to, I cannot assume that the woman was the one who created that video. She was the one holding a digital camera and the moving shots taken from in back of her and to her right. (An odd place for her to be sitting btw, because usually that is the spot for the pilot of an aircraft. Then we hear a man's voice so maybe he was the one to create the YouTube. It is safe to assume that there were at least two people in that cockpit; and possibly three if another was the pilot. And anyone of them could have created that video.
Right after 911 I followed what was taking place on the internet, and downloaded as much as I could. I also purchased about 6 magazines and several newspapers realizing that this was an historical event of huge proportions. I am sure others did the same. Many web sites cropped up using photos of the event as well as pictures of the victims. Commissions were started to investigate; and then of course we had the yearly anniversaries. During that time the families of the victims got together and tried to block a lot of the information that was out there... so much so, that a lot of websites began to pull stuff off. I know this because every once in awhile I try to access some of my old links, and they no longer work. Even your major news outlets like CNN and FOX have pulled stuff off. I personally wish they hadn't because now, most of the information out there are conspiracy theories. You know, like the ones that say that a plane never hit the Pentagon. I mean... there are really some weirdo characters out there. Most are not doing it for the money. They are doing it just to do it or because they can. It gives them an emotional charge of some strange sort. Then there are the American haters... the bashers who would like to do us harm. And for them, no amout of money would be a deterent. So money is not the issue. And as far as I am concerned, a love for our country and our citizens is the highest priority.
What I was always waiting to hear about was the reason building 7 collapsed when it wasn't even hit. Yet there is nothing available to us. My next door neighbor worked in building 7; and a couple of people in my area in the towers. Matter of fact, my own sister in law was laid off from work a few months prior to that attack and she worked on the 98th floor; so had she been employed, she probably would have been killed also. So yes, this is a topic that I do not take lightly.
In Peace and Harmony --- Cosmeta
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Cosmeta wrote: Which video?
If you can't figure it out on your own then never mind
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"Then there are the American haters... the bashers who would like to do us harm. And for them, no amout of money would be a deterent. So money is not the issue. And as far as I am concerned, a love for our country and our citizens is the highest priority.
What I was always waiting to hear about was the reason building 7 collapsed when it wasn't even hit. Yet there is nothing available to us. My next door neighbor worked in building 7; and a couple of people in my area in the towers. Matter of fact, my own sister in law was laid off from work a few months prior to that attack and she worked on the 98th floor; so had she been employed, she probably would have been killed also. So yes, this is a topic that I do not take lightly."
In Peace and Harmony --- Cosmeta
MY RESPONSE:
I would imagine NO ONE who lost family in the WTC would think a hoax like that was a joke. I can't imagine why an American would be a party to a hoax around a subject that is...taboo to joke about.
If that video was meant to be funny...well...it wasn't, right? So, if it wasn't meant to be funny what was the point of making such a hoax video after 9/11? What good reason would they have to spend so much money making it look authentic?
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FWIW, the New York Times has published today that a HOAX VIDEO OF THE PLANE CRASH INTO THE WTC appeared on Tuesday via Google Trends and Google is having a problem with tricksters in this way. Because of the extreme tastelessness of this video, A HOAX, considerable investigation is happening. I don't know how it would be possible to zero into the source, but the blog had bloggers who seemed to think this was a cool thing to do, a HOAX VIDEO of the 911 INCIDENT! ~
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