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| Posted: Mon Oct 17th, 2005 05:17 am |
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Cosmeta
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Cos quoting Cos...
Karma defined: When the energy aback of our purpose ceases to exist so too will our karma. In short, karma ends when we reach a state of Perfection. Or when we have found unity with God.
Taken a step further: If God is Perfection, God can produce only that to which is Perfect; so that in reality, there is no need for us to learn anything or to undo anything; or for us to go through a series of lifetimes in order to reach a state of Perfection, for example. Why?---because we are Perfect creations and living inside of the Body of God. In fact, collectively, We Are God.
A paradox to be sure, but a 'Truth' nonetheless.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17th, 2005 06:43 am |
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Anupadaka
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Cos,
you said,
"... our karma was set a very long time ago when we were first propelled from the central sun."
--> I am afraid this takes away the responsibility for what people are doing now. Would you agree? I see people doing terrible things on the news every night. These people might say, "Oh, it was decided that I would do this before I was born." I don't think so. Do you feel these bad people will not be held accountable for what they do?
"If God is Perfection, God can produce only that to which is Perfect; so that in reality, there is no need for us to learn anything or to undo anything...."
--> If this were so, then there would be no need to have a universe, no need for us to go through experiences in order to improve ourselves. here must be a reason why we are evolving as human beings, evolving up to something higher.
I would like to leave you with one thought.
“The life coming forth from the Supreme puts on veil after veil of Maya, ... to evolve all the perfections that lie latent within it.
“Now the first question is: Does not this life [from the Absolute] already contain within itself everything already developed, every manifested power, every possibility realized as actuality? The answer to that question, spoken over and over again, in symbols, allegories, and distinct words, is ‘No’. It contains everything in potency, but nothing at first in manifestation. It contains everything in germ, but nothing at first as developed organism..”
(Annie Besant, Dharma, page 22)
http://www.anandgholap.net/Dharma-AB.htm (online)
http://www.questbooks.net/title.cfm?bookid=29 (hardcopy)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17th, 2005 06:45 am |
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Anupadaka
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Sorry for the typos, but no editing is allowed.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17th, 2005 07:30 am |
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Cosmeta
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Anupadaka wrote: Sorry for the typos, but no editing is allowed.
Denying member access to an Edit button is entirely my decision. Basically because I feel as though the Preview button can be used to make corrections prior to hitting the Send button.
Will get back to your reply probably tomorrow... cause I am really very tired right now and not able to think straight. Have just returned from a very long trip and need sleep desperately. ~smile.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17th, 2005 06:48 pm |
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Cosmeta
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Anupadaka...
Cos,
you said,
"... our karma was set a very long time ago when we were first propelled from the central sun."
--> I am afraid this takes away the responsibility for what people are doing now. Would you agree? I see people doing terrible things on the news every night. These people might say, "Oh, it was decided that I would do this before I was born." I don't think so. Do you feel these bad people will not be held accountable for what they do?
No, I do not agree with your statement that my position takes away responsibility for what people are doing now. Taking on responsibility for actions now in this present incarnation does not negate the fact that when we were first propelled away from the central sun our karmic pupose for all time was set into motion. Remember too, that this world and our sense of time is an illusion. If you believe in Maya, then you believe that what is here does not really exist as a perpetual eternal reality. Therefore lack of responsibility or wrong doing is only a temporary distraction from one's originating Purpose and is not real. The reason this should happen at all, is because of the veil that separates the real from the not real. As to being held accountable, to whom do we need to be accountable to?---certaintly not to any man made laws for even those laws belong to the world of Maya, to illusion. Nay, the only thing that is real is our relationship to God. But since God has given us free will, we have free will to deviate away from our choosen path. Yet make no mistake, that path is there for us to follow. And if there is ever a time that we should loose our way, we can always find out way back to that one path. It is really just a matter of time, of when we do. Not if, but when....and that too is part of the world of illusion; because this world and our relationship to it has already happened and a very long time ago at the point of the Big Bang. You see, I believe in the 'Constant Now' and that past, present and future are really all one; Everything is One.
We are One.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17th, 2005 06:59 pm |
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Cosmeta
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Anupadaka...
"If God is Perfection, God can produce only that to which is Perfect; so that in reality, there is no need for us to learn anything or to undo anything...."
--> If this were so, then there would be no need to have a universe, no need for us to go through experiences in order to improve ourselves. here must be a reason why we are evolving as human beings, evolving up to something higher.
You say that as if it is we who make up the dynamics of the universe. You say this, as if you inwardly believe that God needs us and not the other way around. You say this as if you believe that God needs improvement. You say this as if you are viewing the cosmos from a valley below looking up to the heights rather than to view the cosmos from atop the mountain looking down.
God does not need us. We need God.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17th, 2005 07:18 pm |
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Cosmeta
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Anupadaka...
I would like to leave you with one thought.
“The life coming forth from the Supreme puts on veil after veil of Maya, ... to evolve all the perfections that lie latent within it.
“Now the first question is: Does not this life [from the Absolute] already contain within itself everything already developed, every manifested power, every possibility realized as actuality? The answer to that question, spoken over and over again, in symbols, allegories, and distinct words, is ‘No’. It contains everything in potency, but nothing at first in manifestation. It contains everything in germ, but nothing at first as developed organism..”
(Annie Besant, Dharma, page 22)
I think the key words there are in recognizing that this world contains a veil of Maya or illusion---several in fact because we are the third manifestation. Were we to read Besant's statement that this life, has everything as a being developed, then we might have to agree with her assessment; but were we to recognize this our three dimensional world as Maya, then her statement is negated and we are brought back to the idea that 'The Separation' from the Supreme itself is the illusion.
We are not evolving into God, we are living inside of the Body of God. So that, in my view God is within/without. You see, according to *my* view, (and not Annie Besant's) it is God who is having the experience and not I. All I am doing is providing God with a destination point in a world of time and illusion. Put simply, this is God's dream and all I can do as a human is to attempt aligning myself with both Dream and Dreamer.
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